Pope Francis and female ordination

 

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Pope Francis in his apostolic exhortation, Evangelii Gaudium slammed the door shut on female ordination,

The reservation of the priesthood to males, as a sign of Christ the spouse who gives himself in the Eucharist, is not a question open to discussion,, but it can prove especially divisive if sacramental power is too closely identified with power in general.

Poor Francis caught in a dilemma..

You can sense his embarrassment

He “readily acknowledge that many women share pastoral responsibilities with priests, helping to guide people, families and groups and offering new contributions to theological reflection,”

But priesthood —a step too far.

He  twists in agony.

“The legitimate rights of women be respected, based on the firm conviction that men and women are equal in dignity. This  presents the Church with profound and challenging questions which cannot be lightly evaded.

But female priests —not yet.

Many people were disappointed with Francis Maybe this is a bit naive. A sitting pope can hardly be expected to contradict his two predecessors who were both over the top with their “nyets” to female ordination. Anybody with an understanding of church history should know this.

But accept it? No.

In the hierarchy of truths a church discipline can be changed. As Pope John 23 said he could waive celibacy wit a snap of his fingers.

Female ordination is simply a blind spot in heretofore male hierarchical church. The old boys club sadly  is on the wrong side of history and in he future will be made to look reactionary. Particularly John Paul ll: Inn Ordinatio Sacerdotalis  JPII said:
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.”

Interesting—the Church–but who is the church?.Not JP ll and/or the bishops. They are a a very tiny part of the church. The sensus fidelium will decide otherwise.

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Most Catholics particularly in educated realms have already accepted the total equality of males and females. Institutions however will always lag. The time bound utterances of church giants like Augustine(d.430 CE) (”Women are not made in the image of God),Aquinas (d 1274) (Women are misbegotten males,incomplete beings” etc)  should be seen  for what they are, reflections of an earlier epoch. Forgivable and hardly binding.

Harm will be one and is being done. Priests who have stated the obvious rights of women to all seven sacraments and every church office males are heir to, men   like ex Maryknoller Roy Bourgeois and now Irish Redemptorist Tony Flannery are the first of many sacrificial sacerdotal l lambs  being led to the slaughter on false charges.

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    Poor Francis caught in a dilemma..

    There’s no dilemma. The conflict is in your mind, in the caricature that you created of Pope Francis and what you predicted on the basis of that caricature, and the actual mind of Pope Francis, which he is beginning to disclose. So you imagine him in a dilemma. Nope. It’s evidence that your caricature is off the mark. Like I said, you are a hopeless ideologue. Reality is not the measure of your mind; rather, your mind is the measure of reality.

    You can sense his embarrassment

    No, I can’t. I sense your embarrassment for finally discovering how wrong you were, but since you have not the courage and integrity to acknowledge that, you project that he is embarrassed. You should study Psychology 101. They cover people like you rather early in the course.

    He twists in agony.

    Wrong again! You are describing your agony.

    But female priests —not yet.

    After 2000 years, I don’t think there is any realistic hope that you’ll ever see females on the altar saying: “Take this all of you and eat of it; this is my body which will be given up for you…” You, a pregnant woman, are giving your body for me? Yes, I thought the bridegroom did indeed die for his bride. This has it reversed, no?

    Many people were disappointed with Francis

    Translation: Many of my liberal, left-wing, dissenting, socialist, avid readers of Democracy Now, were disappointed with Francis.

    Maybe this is a bit naive. A sitting pope can hardly be expected to contradict his two predecessors who were both over the top with their “nyets” to female ordination.

    Two predecessors? How about the entire collection of predecessors going all the way back to Peter?

    But accept it? No.

    Of course, we only accept the Pope and declare him a hero and treat him as a genuine authority figure WHEN HE AGREES WITH US

    In the hierarchy of truths a church discipline can be changed. As Pope John 23 said he could waive celibacy wit a snap of his fingers.

    So true. But female ordination is NOT a discipline. It is doctrinal.

    Female ordination is simply a blind spot in heretofore male hierarchical church.

    That’s fine that you make this claim, but offer some kind of rational evidence for it. Don’t just assert it. Make a case for it.

    the Church–but who is the church?.Not JP ll and/or the bishops. They are a a very tiny part of the church. The sensus fidelium will decide otherwise.

    I think the sensus fidelium has already decided. Like I said above, 2000 years. Does it not count for anything? Let’s just examine this from the time of the end of the Vatican Council II. Let’s say 1965, and we’ll say that Jesus died when he was 33. So, the Church has been active for 1,981 years. That gives us 49 years since the end of the Council. Let’s say that 70% of Catholics believe that women should be ordained (that’s a generous number, but we’ll give it to you for argument sake). That’s 35 years will give you, out of that 49 (70% of 49 or 50). 35/1981 is 1.7%. How is it that 1.7% makes up the sensus fidelium?

    Most Catholics particularly in educated realms have already accepted the total equality of males and females.

    So do I, but ordination has nothing to do with equality. It has to do with the sacramental symbolism of the priesthood.

    Institutions however will always lag.

    Except when they are finally led by Ted.

    The time bound utterances of church giants like Augustine(d.430 CE) (”Women are not made in the image of God),Aquinas (d 1274) (Women are misbegotten males,incomplete beings” etc) should be seen for what they are, reflections of an earlier epoch. Forgivable and hardly binding.

    But JP II’s writings which articulate the reasons the Church cannot ordain women do not offer as reasons the idea that women are not in the image of God, or the misbegotten male idea. Moreover, the misbegotten male notion comes from Aristotle, not Thomas, and please provide a reference for the alleged Augustine claim. I am willing to bet my house that you don’t have the reference, and will not be able to find it. So all you readers, continue to return to this periodically, and you’ll see, the reference will not be provided.


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