Irish priests: ordain women

TONY

Fr. Tony Fannery CssR

Some priests are no longer afraid…and why should they be? The Vatican ban on female ordination, an idee fixe of John Paul ll never made any sense. It simply flew in the face of contemporary wisdom and gender justice. Brave priests like Roy Bourgeois got canned for daring to speak truth to this nonsensical dictum but now the dam is bursting and where else but in Ireland.

Long ago the sensus fidelium of the Catholic church, those who actually live with women and who have daughters simply cannot abide this rank injustice.Not much the Vatican can do with such as these.

Many good priests just lower their heads in embarrassment at this medieval prejudice but for many it is a serious justice issue.

Poor Pope Francis is caught on the horns of the papal dilemma and tradition—you don’t contradict a previous pope, so we wont see much movement on his part.

Meanwhile the cries get louder and we welcome the guts of the Irish priests below.

ROY
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3, 28)
In the Catholic Church women, despite being equal to men by virtue of their Baptism, are excluded from all positions of decision making, and from ordained ministry. In 1994 Pope John Paul II declared that the exclusion of women from priesthood could not even be discussed in the Church. Pope Benedict reaffirmed, and even strengthened this teaching by insisting that it was definitive and that all Catholics were required to give assent to this view. Pope Francis has said that Pope John Paul II had reflected at length on this matter, had declared that women could never be priests and that, therefore, no further discussion on the ordination of women to ministry is possible. In reality, Pope John Paul II did not encourage or facilitate debate on the ordination of women to priesthood or diaconate before he made his decision. Furthermore, there was virtually no discussion on the complex cultural factors which excluded women from leadership roles in many societies until recently.
We, the undersigned, believe that this situation is very damaging, that it alienates both women and men from the church because they are scandalised by the unwillingness of Church leaders to open the debate on the role of women in our church. This alienation will continue and accelerate.
We are aware that there are many women who are deeply hurt and saddened by this teaching. We also believe that the example given by the Church in discriminating against women encourages and reinforces abuse and violence against women in many cultures and societies. It is also necessary to remember that women form the bulk of the congregation at Sunday Mass and have been more active in the life of the local churches than many men, mirroring the fidelity of the women who followed Jesus to the end, to his death on Calvary. The command of Jesus “Go, teach all nations” was addressed to all his followers, and by failing to accept the full equality of women, the church is not fulfilling this commission.
The strict prohibition on discussing the question has failed to silence the majority of the Catholic faithful. Survey after survey indicates that a great many people are in favour of full equality for women in the Church. But it has managed to silence priests and bishops, because the sanctions being imposed on those who dare to raise the question are swift and severe.
We believe that we can no longer remain silent because to do so colludes with the systemic oppression of women within the Catholic Church. So, in the spirit of Pope Francis constant encouragement of dialogue, we are calling for free and open discussion concerning the full equality of women in all facets of Church life, including all forms of ministry. If this were to happen, the credibility of the Catholic Church would gain strength, especially when it addresses women’s issues.
Signed:

Frs:
Eamonn McCarthy

Kevin Hegarty

Roy Donovan

Padraig Standun

Adrian Egan

Benny Bohan

Sean McDonagh

John D. Kirwin

Ned Quinn

Donagh O’Meara

Tony Conry

Tony Flannery

4 Comments »

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    mushafta Says:

    There is absolutely nothing in scripture which forbids women’s ordination.

    Indeed the medieval practice has to come to an end and soon.

    The biggest problem in the Catholic Church are the educated males who are stubborn as mules accepting change. Many are die hard conservatives who still wield power through institutions like the Knights of Columbus which are as medieval as the church itself.

    Bravo to these level headed Irish priests who have seen the light!

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    Some priests are no longer afraid…and why should they be? The Vatican ban on female ordination, an idee fixe of John Paul ll never made any sense. It simply flew in the face of contemporary wisdom and gender justice.

    What is contemporary wisdom? Contemporary popular cultural mores? Abortion is contemporary wisdom, so is contraception, so is IVF, so is Swingers clubs, and so too is euthanasia. All this is contemporary wisdom.

    A Christian or Muslim or Jew is going to want to know what the criterion is that enables us to distinguish between contemporary “wisdom” and contemporary folly. What is your criterion, Ted? The criterion for a Catholic is Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium. If for you it is sola scriptura, you are a protestant. And that’s fine, but just admit it.

    If the sensus fidelium can be wrong for 2000 years, then what is the sensus fidelium?

    Brave priests like Roy Bourgeois got canned for daring to speak truth to this nonsensical dictum but now the dam is bursting and where else but in Ireland.

    The dam is bursting? Really? A few dissenting priests and the dam is bursting?

    Long ago the sensus fidelium of the Catholic church, those who actually live with women and who have daughters simply cannot abide this rank injustice.Not much the Vatican can do with such as these.

    I am the only male in my household. I know that my daughter could not be a priest. She represents the Church, who is bride, not bridegroom.

    Many good priests just lower their heads in embarrassment at this medieval prejudice but for many it is a serious justice issue.

    Actually, it’s not a medieval prejudice, but a 1st century one. It goes right back to the last supper. Jesus was a victim of that prejudice. Imagine, you are smarter than Jesus! Wow. Let me bow to your superior intellect. ….okay, I’m up off the floor now to resume my discussion. It’s a 1st century prejudice, a 2nd century, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc., How can you belong to a Church that has been so deceived on such a fundamental issue for centuries? How can you trust such an institution? What else are they wrong on? Practically everything else! Her moral teaching is repressive, her liturgy is patriarchal, etc. Clearly this Church is not guided by the Holy Spirit. You are a fool to belong to such a Church. Why would you stay?

    Poor Pope Francis is caught on the horns of the papal dilemma and tradition—

    Not really, for him it is no dilemma. He said it himself, how ridiculous it is for people to be calling for the ordination of women. He said the matter is settled. No dilemma for him.

    There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3, 28)

    Wow! That settles it. Thank you for that fundamentalist use of Scripture. There is no male and female distinction. Of course. There should be no male and female washrooms in a parish Church, no specifically female fashion in stores, because in Christ there is no distinction between the sexes.

    In the Catholic Church women, despite being equal to men by virtue of their Baptism, are excluded from all positions of decision making,

    Not true. Women have been involved in decision making in Chanceries all over the world. In fact, one high ranking one was just fired from the Vatican for her role in the leaks.

    In 1994 Pope John Paul II declared that the exclusion of women from priesthood could not even be discussed in the Church. Pope Benedict reaffirmed, and even strengthened this teaching by insisting that it was definitive and that all Catholics were required to give assent to this view.

    But Pope Ted says otherwise. Listen to Pope Ted. He holds the keys.

    We, the undersigned, believe that this situation is very damaging, that it alienates both women and men from the church because they are scandalised by the unwillingness of Church leaders to open the debate on the role of women in our church.

    If it alienates women, I wonder why there are 2/3 more women saints than male saints? Irony!

    This alienation will continue and accelerate.

    Maybe that will mean more women saints.

    We are aware that there are many women who are deeply hurt and saddened by this teaching.

    Shoppers has Kleenex on sale for a limited time; two for one special.

    We also believe that the example given by the Church in discriminating against women encourages and reinforces abuse and violence against women in many cultures and societies.

    Yes, police have been telling us for years that men who beat their live-in-lovers or wives always say, upon interrogation, that they thought it was okay to abuse women because the Church does not ordain women. Police have been puzzled by this explanation which they encounter so often. So many men who go to Church beat their wives, and now we know why! Gosh, this is so enlightening.

    It is also necessary to remember that women form the bulk of the congregation at Sunday Mass and have been more active in the life of the local churches than many men, mirroring the fidelity of the women who followed Jesus to the end, to his death on Calvary.

    Hence, they feel alienated and hurt. I guess they love pain and humiliation and alienation. Or, perhaps the reason is that they don’t feel alienated and are not looking for the Kleenex. Maybe they are not interested in becoming priests. Maybe they just love the Lord, love the Eucharist, and love to pray. Hmmmm.

    The command of Jesus “Go, teach all nations” was addressed to all his followers, and by failing to accept the full equality of women, the church is not fulfilling this commission.

    I wonder why Jesus would allow this to go on so long! He said he’d send the advocate, the Spirit of truth that would lead them to the complete truth. Well, clearly he was wrong. The Holy Spirit wasn’t able to break through this blunder. Are you sure Jesus is who he said he was?

    The strict prohibition on discussing the question has failed to silence the majority of the Catholic faithful.

    Really? Where is this majority that are speaking up? I’ve never heard the issue brought up among any of our parish, let alone a majority.

    Survey after survey indicates….

    What survey? Name them. Name the surveys after surveys. I’ve never in my life seen one survey.

    that a great many people are in favour of full equality for women in the Church.

    If the imaginary survey worded it like that…i.e., are you in favor of full equality of women in the Church…, then the survey is defective. Everyone favors full equality, but it begs to question to say full equality means female ordination. That’s your assumption. But if the survey said …are you in favor of female ordination? then that would be different. But no such survey has ever been done, nor would it ever be done, because Church doctrine is not based on majority votes, it never has been and never will be. Jesus asked: Who do people say that I am?….some say John the Baptist, other Elijah, others one of the prophets…(in other words, the people got it wrong). Then Jesus asked them: “Who do you say that I am? The Apostles were silent. But Simon spoke up…You are the Christos. Jesus then changes his name to Ted…oooops! I meant to say Petros (Peter). When Peter speaks, it is not flesh and blood that has revealed it, but “My father in heaven”.

    Sorry your holiness Theodor I, Scripture is against you on this one.

    If this were to happen, the credibility of the Catholic Church would gain strength, especially when it addresses women’s issues.

    Actually, it would totally destroy the credibility of the Church. Just think about it for 2 seconds. The Church has been in serious error for 2000 years. Why would I listen to the Church now? On any issue? That would prove definitively that the Church is incompetent to speak on matters of justice, truth, and morality.

    But it would boost your credibility. It would show that it is very likely the Pope Theodore I is infallible.

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    SO funny Francesco49. I too would love to see these surveys.
    Blather? Bafflegab? He’s cited scripture. He’s wide awake, everyone else should wake up. I have taught religion for over a decade. NEVER, never did the issue of female ordination breach. I expected it would and even goaded the issue. There are more questions regarding the validity of Christ, existence of God, etc. The claim is that young people are disenchanted with the Church but I think that they are disenchanted with life in general due to strong, atheistic currents in social media. That is the bigger threat than the so-called issue of female ordination.


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